[ hmm. he pauses, thinks about her response, and then -
- it comes, slowly. like little ghosts carrying razor blades: images of rome. of time slipping through his fingers. ]
You sound like you know a lot about it, forgive me for asking.
But you are right. I mostly approached it in terms of ... having someone be a receptacle of knowledge. Of having seen and being involved in history, and so on. In that way, I thought eternity is something else bearable because you're in the center as history evolves.
After a while, however, it's probably going to be the loneliest thing.
Well, I think that's true. You are sort of in the center of it all, and you see all the changes because you remember what it used to be, before it changed.
But the thing is, you're not moving with it when it changes. You're in the center while it all spins around you, and pretty soon you realize that everything that was a part of what made the world yours is all gone.
So then it's just somebody else's, but you're still there in it.
I think, in order for it to work, you would have to only care about the future the way you see it and not how other people are affected by it.
It can't be somebody else's if all you're concerned with is making it the only life that you've ever known. That kind of control becomes a substitute for the loneliness that most people would feel after. It wouldn't matter if the world has moved on, because you are constantly creating what you only want to see. Does that make sense?
[ because giorno is thinking this through he's just going to ramble on and over explain himself at some points. ]
Um...I'm not COMPLETELY sure I'm following. But it sounds like you want to stop thinking of yourself as a person, right? And become something else, like a force of nature. If you're just something that acts on the world, then it's okay if you don't have a life inside it.
if he were a wine drinker, this would be the part where he'd drink wine. but he's not, so all he says is, ]
Correct. 'A force of nature' is a good term. And in that matter life or death wouldn't be an issue because to a force of nature, that'd be like asking whether or not the clouds are upset for having been broken apart by the wind. You are no longer a person but the ideal.
Like you said before, the only way for that to work would be for you to care only about your vision and not the people affected by it. But what's the point of the vision at all EXCEPT to affect people? If you don't care about the people, then why would you even care about your own actions? It's like pushing peas around on a plate, or...I don't know, stacking up blocks. Sure, you can move them however you want, but it can't hold your attention forever because there's no connection between you and anything you do or don't do to them.
So then after a while you get bored, but you're still around forever. And since you don't care, then either you stay bored, or you start just trying to amuse yourself. Then you're toying with people, but you don't care about them so it doesn't matter to you. And you're a force of nature, so there's nothing to stop you or rein you in; you just happen to people. So what's to stop you from making them suffer? It's new and it's interesting. And meanwhile real people are getting hurt, all the time, and it doesn't matter to you because they mean nothing to you or your world. They don't matter.
But even that would get boring, I think. Sooner or later you'd run out of even cruelty. And then there'd just be nothing for you, and you'd still be there. Forever.
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- it comes, slowly. like little ghosts carrying razor blades: images of rome. of time slipping through his fingers. ]
You sound like you know a lot about it, forgive me for asking.
But you are right. I mostly approached it in terms of ... having someone be a receptacle of knowledge. Of having seen and being involved in history, and so on. In that way, I thought eternity is something else bearable because you're in the center as history evolves.
After a while, however, it's probably going to be the loneliest thing.
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But the thing is, you're not moving with it when it changes. You're in the center while it all spins around you, and pretty soon you realize that everything that was a part of what made the world yours is all gone.
So then it's just somebody else's, but you're still there in it.
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I think, in order for it to work, you would have to only care about the future the way you see it and not how other people are affected by it.
It can't be somebody else's if all you're concerned with is making it the only life that you've ever known. That kind of control becomes a substitute for the loneliness that most people would feel after. It wouldn't matter if the world has moved on, because you are constantly creating what you only want to see. Does that make sense?
[ because giorno is thinking this through he's just going to ramble on and over explain himself at some points. ]
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Is...that what you're saying?
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if he were a wine drinker, this would be the part where he'd drink wine. but he's not, so all he says is, ]
Correct. 'A force of nature' is a good term. And in that matter life or death wouldn't be an issue because to a force of nature, that'd be like asking whether or not the clouds are upset for having been broken apart by the wind. You are no longer a person but the ideal.
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Like you said before, the only way for that to work would be for you to care only about your vision and not the people affected by it. But what's the point of the vision at all EXCEPT to affect people? If you don't care about the people, then why would you even care about your own actions? It's like pushing peas around on a plate, or...I don't know, stacking up blocks. Sure, you can move them however you want, but it can't hold your attention forever because there's no connection between you and anything you do or don't do to them.
So then after a while you get bored, but you're still around forever. And since you don't care, then either you stay bored, or you start just trying to amuse yourself. Then you're toying with people, but you don't care about them so it doesn't matter to you. And you're a force of nature, so there's nothing to stop you or rein you in; you just happen to people. So what's to stop you from making them suffer? It's new and it's interesting. And meanwhile real people are getting hurt, all the time, and it doesn't matter to you because they mean nothing to you or your world. They don't matter.
But even that would get boring, I think. Sooner or later you'd run out of even cruelty. And then there'd just be nothing for you, and you'd still be there. Forever.